Colt fans like the hitching because it’s familiar; the MR73 is more similar to a Smith in ‘feel’ but is smoother and can get lighter than one in both double and single action. And doesn’t ignore the possible millions of dollars in tax payer money it costs for a lawsuit when there is an obviously bad shot by an officer. The reason revolvers are functionally obsolete is not that they aren’t effective. An MR73, good for 1000,000 rounds! This steel enables the MR73 to withstand a steady and unvaried diet of full-power .357 Magnum without the problems seen in revolvers made of lesser materials. Has anyone had experience with the old generation of the mr73 made by manurhin vs the new maker of the current mr73. (2 to the chest, 2 to the pelvic girdle, 1 to the head, in that order) That’s hard to do with a pocket 9 or a wheel gun. It’s excellent fit and finish, accuracy and reliability are all demonstrative of that fact. However, I would advise a smaller-handed individual to look into smaller custom grips if one was interested in this revolver. Only very slightly larger, but of a much tougher steel. New MR88's show up occasionally but are still pretty steep. Continuity of fire rules the day. I might had Smith no longer makes the original high quality Goncalo Alves wood grips either, the wood grips they use today look like shit. I have several of their Walther PPK/s guns. Reply. A beefed up GP100, jesus. Nobody in their right mind will argue that .357 is not a devastatingly effective round. This gun is the primary handgun for G.I.G.N ( french intervention team ) since 1976. Who knew, maybe I’d have the opportunity to try out the wheel gun ammunition on a feral hog. Manurhin MR-88 (MR 88, MR88) is a French revolver manufactured by Manurhin in 1988-2003 in two versions: Defence (MR-88D) and Sport (MR-88S).It is based on Manurhin F1 and inherited the Ruger-style cylinder release. Well, I feel stupid. First, when the revolver is used in self-defense situations, it will likely involve targets engaged at bayonet range. Barrel Length: 5.25″ tested (available in lengths from 2.5 to 6″) It's an investment IMO. You apprehend the spring issue quite well. Because the Manurhin MR73 Sport 6” is handmade, the factory doesn’t produce large numbers which means -even in trade- these revolvers are a very rare sight. Overrun from the latest contract have been floating around the internet for $340-500. © COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. This is one French Firearm that won’t be dropped any time soon. Starting off at the 25y mark, I found that 158gr SP Fiocchi and S&B loads hit exactly where the adjustable sights were pointed. Walther later in time booted Smith the hell out of the picture and it could not have come soon enough. 158gr or higher loads have plenty of momentum, but don’t apply it to the gun/hand as quickly, so the lightweight part doesn’t bounce as far during operation. This is a seriously attractive handgun. The MR73’s frame is slightly larger than that of an S&W K-frame revolver, and much more durable. Tolerances are extremely tight, to the point that the cylinder must be seated into the frame with authority. While extremely expensive, one gets what one pays for. Probably still have to be beefed up, but they can fit 5 .44 special rounds that are 0.19 inches bigger in diameter, so I think they could make it work. Manurhin MR-88 First ShotsSo…today was the day to take out the Manurhin MR88 revolver. If it weren’t there would be no reason to have an exposed hammer. An MR 73 revolver didn’t leave the factory unless it produced a 5-shot group of under 20mm at 25 meters. Colt and S&W used them quite successfully for years. The only revolver I’ve handled that was nicer overall than the new KC is a 1968 4” Python. Shooting 150 rounds a day will cause 6 rounds to be plenty 99.9% of the time. I have read only favourable reviews of the Manurhin made MR 73s. The Hornady 140-grain FTX loads are designed for hunting applications. The surface finish was impressive, somewhere between Colt Python and Korth. They’re really convincing and can certainly work. Averaging 15 rounds, no group over 20 mm (0.79 in) diameter with selected ammunition is allowed. The MR73 is a hell of a bargain. And the new Colt .357 is not even made by them as they “farm out” for the junk MIM cast internal parts. Perhaps someday I’ll have an abundance of extra cash and someone will come along with a beefed up and polished GP100. Parts are a problem for both the Colt and the current Smith guns as new Smith guns now all have junk MIM cast parts in them and many have junk two piece barrels that are cranked into the frame with a tool that goes into the muzzle and mates with the rifling. I kept going. FWIW, that ammo *specifically* will not work in my MR73. The frame and barrel of the MR73 are made of very high-grade ordnance steel used in artillery. More art than science, I think. But if that’s your job, doesn’t it make sense? I don’t get to the range NEARLY as much as I’d like, but I still probably average once a month and about half my trips I am taking one or more pistols. Stacked just like any other Colt but was smoother. The price for entry on a new MR73 is $3,200. Let alone once you add in benefits. May just That’s about 3/4 of an inch. Reloading for savings, please, no one is going to shoot that much and then reload 4500 rounds a month. The second conclusion applies to hunting applications, specifically when pairing the Manurhin revolver with the Hornady 140-grain FTX LEVERevolution ammunition. Revolvers also work in contact with the target. The MR 73 was always their flagship and contained no Ruger parts whatsoever. Grips: Factory Rubber Trausch Sad to see it be a safe queen. But there are plenty of situations where volume of fire IS a good thing. The double action trigger has two distinct clicks that one can hear when in operation, making the staging of the trigger for accurate firing a very predictable affair. For a member of the Politburo or a foreign round eye devil? A coil spring could be made on a mandrel on a lathe with a drag block in the compound if you wanted to go that route. The bullet weights of the four types of ammunition varied from 125-grains to 158-grains. The Manurhin is in a league above a buffed Smith. I shoot almost exclusively reloads loaded to about 750fps 158gr SWC) are still going to make a mess out of whatever they hit. My first 12 shots were fired minus my shooting gloves. At the sound of a whistle, the range officers were given 25 seconds to fire the ten cartridges at the target located 7 meters away; the instructors had only 20 seconds. Considering SAAMI max pressure for the .357 mag is 35,000 psi, it’s no wonder the Manurhin survived a 170,000 round test without issue. Unskilled man’s Miculek trick. Given that 99.9% of the people handed a revolver will never reach the level of proficiency necessary to get the most out of the platform, is there a way to substitute technology for training? I followed Skeeter Skeltons advice and used a drill bit in the V to bend the spring. Bend over when you go into the gun store today. The new Colt? The revolver ships in a very nice combination locking pistol box from Manurhin. There have been rumblings of easier importation of Manurhin products into the US market by a large firearms manufacturer, but so far, results have failed to materialize. If I am lucky and feeling my oats that day I might have finished reloading and squeezed off another round or two. Muzzle energy for this cartridge was ~650 ft-lbs, and thus I personally wouldn’t want to exceed the 50-yard mark when firing these at game animals. The lockwork is a bit different, yielding a double and single action much nicer than you can generally obtain with a Smith (is more like a Python in quality). 487 Posts . 2. Truly the most accurate .357 I have ever owned. That’s my opinion. Despite the Manuhrin being a nicely made gun if your going to fork over $3,000 bucks I would recommend you buy “THE SNAKE” I.E THE Colt Python , I have had 3 and now currently have an almost unfired 6 inch blued. The smoothness comes from a preponderance of leaf springs. For sure. Finish: High polish blue Accuracy * * * * * Brings up the obvious question of police in an urban environment and 16-rd mags. I’m a history nerd, as well as a person who is humbled by those who sacrifice themselves for the sake of others. The Trausch target grips are not the most attractive (but extremely functional, as I will cover later). GIGN sometimes shots at contact distance. A nice side note – the MR73 fit a few of my S&W 6″ N-Frame holsters. Agree it’s not very affordable. I know that right off the bat people generally shoot revolvers better with zero prior shooting experience. I have come away disappointed from other esoteric guns, but not this one. It’s a French police model that was brought into the US as surplus. darn it ……. It’s already a tank, wouldn’t surprise me if it held up pretty well with .44mag. It doesn’t come close to Jerry’s Miculek’s distance record, but it’s as good as I’ve ever personally achieved with a revolver. The front sight is double pinned in place, and the barrel is tapped for a scope mount. GIGN), and they carried a variety of weapons and specialized equipment. Style * * * * * @serge regarding: “Magic death ray” comment. In 38 special with 3 inch barrels. The cheapest I have been able to find 115 grain FMJ ammunition is 15¢ per round. Again bend over sucker they see you coming. Save Share. Most likely, coil springs reduce the cost of manufacture and tuning a “for the masses” gun. Excellent quality and the Germans took full advantage of their manufacturing. But then, it is in league price-wise with a whole bunch of custom 1911s. Again, this is quite impressive and basically as good as it gets. I arrived with my NRA-approved 25 yard slow-fire pistol targets planning to fire from the bench at, well, 25 yards. Capacity: 6 rounds Vlad, surely you know you can’t *own* those Pythons, or any property. But, what about for the non-elite shooter? Extensively hand fit and hand-polished during manufacture, the result shows the moment one handles one of these beauties. [citation needed] These teams also use MR73's with scopes and 8" and 10" barrels for tactical purposes. ‘https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manurhin_MR_73. MR021 Nill Grips - Manurhin Modesl: MR73 / MR38 Match / MR32 Match / MR22 Match These adjustable match grips are designed for static disciplines where the majority of shooting is one-handed. Leaf/V-springs can be automated to some extent, with substantially more expensive tooling. That’s neat, I’ll be nice to compare to my 3 M134s sitting in my basement. Shooters training with S&W M10, M13, or M19 under similar conditions never experienced this malfunction. Newer ones, same name, not the same quality. Only key board commando’s will be surprised that the revolver armed dude put down the terrorists. The letter came from the President of Manuhrin at the time. Shoots like a dream, and fits my hand better than any of the .357 Rugers or Smiths I own. It will also impress anyone, or anything, at which you shoot. This is the legendary French Special Forces Revolver used in airline hostage situations in the 70's and 80's. Tensioning the MR73 cylinder hand by a flat spring fixed it at least for the 158gr Norma .357 Magnum load issued by GIGN. It’s guaranteed to impress your friends. Likewise, my rangework with this revolver confirmed its capability for both personal-defense and hunting applications. I was going to adjust the trigger pull but the double action seems light enough for me and I'll leave it at the stock settings. 75 and 100y yielded all the same results. I hope I can drop someone in a round or two. After swapping out the cylinders, I also shoot some 9mm through it. Overall * * * * * The MR73 then turned in consistently excellent 1″ groups with Fiocchi 158gr fired single action supported off some bags. The tool steel used in the MR73 gives it crazy durability. If we take the amount of time one needs to use to learn to rapidly reload a revolver under stress and do so without looking at the gun, reduce that to the time it takes to reload an autoloader, take the saved time and apply that to proper marksmanship we probably don’t get spray and pray. You bet there is a good reason .-second, the Ruger clones. A lead spring to power the hammer, the trigger return, and the hand. The Manurhin MR73 is wholly deserving of its reputation as a finely crafted firearm. Sadly I bought in to the MR73 hype. However I really enjoy the factory feel of the trigger, so I have not made many adjustments yet. Just when you thought Smith could not make guns even cheaper. Furthermore, the Trausch grips allow for a higher grip and faster follow up shots than when using the wood grips (at least for me). Accuracy with the MR73 was so good that I started to push the envelope as far as my ability to make long-distance shots with a revolver. The former is part of the latter but the two are not synonymous. Would happen consistently 2-3 times per cylinder until I’d spent that ammo. Pick the right tool for the right job. In fact, during the initial proof-of-concept tests, 170,000 full-power cartridges were fired through an MR73…and the revolver was still functioning perfectly when the tests were finally suspended. At least my TRR8 still likes ’em (that’s why I had them on hand). Such was the case in the assault of the hijacked Air France jetliner. Owing to the inertia of the hand thrown backward by Magnum recoil forces, the music wire spring was not strong enough to return it forward in time to engage the teeth of the ratchet of the ejector and ensure the rotation of the cylinder. With limited training, I’d absolutely say a semi-automatic is a better choice than a revolver unless you are talking target shooting. I’ve taught over a dozen people how to shoot and they almost always shoot the revolvers well the first time out. It’s a cool piece but I can think of far better ways to blow $3000. Supposedly this aided in the Colts outstanding accuracy. Not entirely a drop in the bucket, but that is still about .4-1.5% in training what it costs just to pay the officer. Both triggers can be adjusted, and imo rival the Python for quality (and the Ruger for strength & reliability). I can appreciate the slickness of a fine revolver. This firearm was designed specifically to stand up to the incredibly punishing training regimen employed by this elite force. For the former, an automatic offers distinct advantages. The reality is that no matter the caliber, a handgun is not a magic death ray. Manurhin revolvers family is composed of two different breed : - first , the MR73 : a superior revolver, with a short and light double-action trigger pull ( 8 pounds out of the box ! Especially considering a 200Bpm heart rate and everything else associated. Material: Proprietary carbon steel In Richard Marcinko’s book, Rogue Warrior, which is an autobiography of his career in the SEALs, there is a photo of a SEAL with a 4″ stainless S&W model 66. Dropping and popping another magazine into a revolver isn’t an option. For personal defense, you are rarely engaging at ranges where it makes an appreciable difference. I, for one, could support the idea that such officers should be limited to 6-rd reloads, because spraying the countryside is such an obviously bad idea. Fully encompassing the grip and strap, the recoil step on the back makes the revolver stay on target really well during recoil. The other three cartridge types are more in line with the MR73’s raison d’être – to stop those intent on harming others from achieving their goal. Python with mainspring that looked like a pretzel but shot like a dream. It was a pretty good deal too. I was left with fixed-frames positioned 42 yards from the bench. The down side was these guns can go out of time far more quickly than the Smith Guns. The new KC has a trigger that matches the old Python. I saw a PP clone at a gun show a few years back and “saw” Manhurin and thought it was a cheap Chinese knockoff. The rebound bar travels on two rollers, making for a DA trigger that is smooth, consistent, and predictable to aid in exceptional accuracy. [citation needed] I took the gun to a second gunsmith for another assessment, his conclusion was, the barrel was made of poor quality steel and the gun is fit for use with magnum loads. Seems like a great gun, tho that price tag sounds like a 4″ Python. ”, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manurhin_MR_73, Actually it’s DA/SA, see, Which I also cannot afford the cost of …. Can you imagine the reaction of the mayor and city council if they police commissioner told them, “I need another $3 million plus each year so that my cops can learn to hit what they shoot at?”, A few million dollars is probably nothing to the NYPD. Within a matter of seconds he killed two of the terrorists and seriously injured a third. But the first sentence sound contradictory to the chart posted above where an MR73 357 bore is 400mm twist (15.75"). Someone comes in that door, I’d rather she have a revolver in her hands. At this rate of fire, in the original MR73 design that tensioned the hand with a “safety pin” spring, the hand did not have enough time to return to the ratchet and rotate the cylinder, and consequently it slipped over the ratchet, causing the firing pin to strike the primer of the last expended shell. Caliber: .357 Magnum I think we’d all be better Indians with 150 rd/day practice. A fairly well known issue. Satan still talking to you personally, vlad? In regards to Manurhin they make some very well made firearms. I’ve made leaf/v springs for old guns in my shop – some go quickly, some don’t, but all of them can be made easily with simple tools (hacksaws, hand files, polishing paper, quenching oil, a torch or source of heat and some measuring tools). Probably worth every penny but that’s too rich for me. However, within 50 yards, I would have confidence in bullet placement and penetration. My experience of a new (2017) chapuis built MR73 is here https://youtu.be/o0YP2iMvdCw caveat emptor. 1 was here. Everything else is about the same in the 2-3″ range off a rest at 17yds for 5rnds (OP is around 1″ off bags at 17yds single action, the Cz50 is about 1.5″), except my M57 at around 5″ at that distance. In the time it takes me to put 17+1 downrange form my G17 (or 19+1 as I normally leave one with a +2 extended baseplate on it) I MIGHT have finished reloading my Colt OP from a speed loader and I am ready to fire the next 6 rounds. I just shoot an a occasional box of .38 specials through it. From what I understand, both are incredible revolvers. If didn’t already have my S&W 681, I would consider buying that revolver. Again bend over they see you coming. That depends entirely on what you mean by “substitute”. All of the data gathered for the Manurhin MR73 came from sessions at my local gun range. Still a pity, they drop into revolver chambers so nicely. I've reached out to Manurhin last month but they haven't responded, nor does Kebco know either. There was no bench close enough to the target stands for handgun shooters, or at least not for this handgun shooter. Period. Can it be done? You’re absolutely correct, a failure drill with 6/7 rounds for one guy is going to be a project. Needless to say, I was captivated by both the origin and application of the MR73 as the GIGN’s preferred sidearm. Having read your comments on the internet, the communists will recognize your inherent superiority (i.e., eagerness to grovel) and welcome you to their inner sanctum, where you’ll enjoy all the perks that the rest of us are denied. You have entered an incorrect email address! Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. You know, I used to go by the “older guns were better” mantra as well. One of the GIGN shooting drills was the 7 meter fast response. The Manurhin SR73 is not DAO. The above account of one of the myriad of actions (mostly secret) involving the GIGN and their preferred sidearm indicates the toughness and accuracy of the MR73, albeit in the trained hands of an elite force. The new edm rifling, while not my favorite, is extremely accurate. I’m confident it’ll light up a bad guy if need be all the same. But damn those snakes are hard to grasp, LGS had one a couple months ago for $1800 but I couldn’t swing it. This change in my design actually turned out to be fortuitous because the resulting groups were actually quite presentable. Immediately after the front-side door was forced open by the GIGN team, Captain Prungnaud moved into the airliner and into the sights of the four members of the Armed Islamic Group of Algeria.
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